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Post by randrhoid on Nov 24, 2013 21:17:32 GMT -5
A separate question: Why did Rick go back on his deal to take Rachael with him to help him kill the last three androids? I think he went back in the deal because in a way he didn't feel right letting an android kill another android |
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Post by susan on Nov 24, 2013 21:18:26 GMT -5
Caroline> I missed that point about having to defend what group you say you belong to. I think it would make the person question their own choice when they had to prove what group they were in and had to justify their choosing it. They also have to be very careful and detailed in order to pass the tests and not be found out if they are in a group that would reject them if they knew their real identity. That's pretty revealing.
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Post by caroline on Nov 24, 2013 21:18:54 GMT -5
Susan, your ideas about the empathy machine are interesting. I definitely agree the people, in general, have to parcel out their empathy as a coping mechanism. A question: Why do you think the empathy book involved having rocks thrown at you? Was it supposed to symbolize sharing people's burdens? It also seemed key when Rick's wife Iran said that she thought you were *obligated* to use the empathy box when ever you felt joyful - even if that meant you would lose a lot of your joy. I think it represents life not being a perfect journey and symbolizes sharing others' burdens Hm, I saw it a bit more negatively. Like Iran had a kind of "survivor's guilt" and felt she shouldn't enjoy a moment of happiness because she didn't deserve it. |
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Post by susan on Nov 24, 2013 21:20:02 GMT -5
I was thinking this book was written in the 30's because of The Metropolis movie! Of course, I think you guys are right on when you describe questioning religion and government along with any authority. Definitely a sign of the times.
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Post by caroline on Nov 24, 2013 21:21:49 GMT -5
A separate question: Why did Rick go back on his deal to take Rachael with him to help him kill the last three androids? I think he went back in the deal because in a way he didn't feel right letting an android kill another android Or did he not trust her? I was disappointed in Rick when he later thinks he should have killed Rachael right after he slept with her. Maybe the author used that moment to show that Rick was becoming like the cruel bounty hunters he despised. |
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Post by susan on Nov 24, 2013 21:22:43 GMT -5
What parts of this story do you think most influenced the Arch Android narrative? Also the part about Rachel and her being the prototype to make the others and she is the representative sent to protect all of the other androids. Definitely Cindi. |
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Post by caroline on Nov 24, 2013 21:24:52 GMT -5
Caroline> I missed that point about having to defend what group you say you belong to. I think it would make the person question their own choice when they had to prove what group they were in and had to justify their choosing it. They also have to be very careful and detailed in order to pass the tests and not be found out if they are in a group that would reject them if they knew their real identity. That's pretty revealing. Yes, and that probably relates to people trying to pass for something they are not in present-day society. |
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Post by randrhoid on Nov 24, 2013 21:25:24 GMT -5
What parts of this story do you think most influenced the Arch Android narrative? Also the part about Rachel and her being the prototype to make the others and she is the representative sent to protect all of the other androids. Definitely Cindi. Agreed!!! |
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Post by caroline on Nov 24, 2013 21:27:03 GMT -5
What parts of this story do you think most influenced the Arch Android narrative? Also the part about Rachel and her being the prototype to make the others and she is the representative sent to protect all of the other androids. Definitely Cindi. That's right! Rachael had a bunch of look-alikes, just like Cindi. |
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Post by caroline on Nov 24, 2013 21:30:23 GMT -5
What did you think of the ending? Do you believe Rick is really going to retire from bounty hunting? (I doubt it). What about the story closing with the wife ordering electronic flies for the electronic toad? Some definite dark humor there, I think.
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Post by randrhoid on Nov 24, 2013 21:31:46 GMT -5
I think he went back in the deal because in a way he didn't feel right letting an android kill another android Or did he not trust her? I was disappointed in Rick when he later thinks he should have killed Rachael right after he slept with her. Maybe the author used that moment to show that Rick was becoming like the cruel bounty hunters he despised. I don't think it was that he didn't trust her but he was starting to feel sorry for the androids. It definitely seemed like throughout the story he was struggling with his feelings towards androids. On one hand he sympathized with them but tried to surpress it in order to "do his job" |
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Post by caroline on Nov 24, 2013 21:39:43 GMT -5
Or did he not trust her? I was disappointed in Rick when he later thinks he should have killed Rachael right after he slept with her. Maybe the author used that moment to show that Rick was becoming like the cruel bounty hunters he despised. I don't think it was that he didn't trust her but he was starting to feel sorry for the androids. It definitely seemed like throughout the story he was struggling with his feelings towards androids. On one hand he sympathized with them but tried to surpress it in order to "do his job" Yeah, you're probably right. I hope Anthony Greendown doesn't end up having a little Rick in him! |
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Post by randrhoid on Nov 24, 2013 21:40:01 GMT -5
What did you think of the ending? Do you believe Rick is really going to retire from bounty hunting? (I doubt it). What about the story closing with the wife ordering electronic flies for the electronic toad? Some definite dark humor there, I think. I like how the ending was open-ended. After all he went through to kill the androids it wouldn't be surprising if he did retire. Iran buying the electric flies for the electric toad was definitely some dark humor. It seems interesting that they seemed to settle for the artificially they claimed to not want |
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Post by randrhoid on Nov 24, 2013 21:43:52 GMT -5
I don't think it was that he didn't trust her but he was starting to feel sorry for the androids. It definitely seemed like throughout the story he was struggling with his feelings towards androids. On one hand he sympathized with them but tried to surpress it in order to "do his job" Yeah, you're probably right. I hope Anthony Greendown doesn't end up having a little Rick in him! The way Anthony has been described it doesn't sound like he's like Rick |
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Post by caroline on Nov 24, 2013 21:47:40 GMT -5
What did you think of the ending? Do you believe Rick is really going to retire from bounty hunting? (I doubt it). What about the story closing with the wife ordering electronic flies for the electronic toad? Some definite dark humor there, I think. I like how the ending was open-ended. After all he went through to kill the androids it wouldn't be surprising if he did retire. Iran buying the electric flies for the electric toad was definitely some dark humor. It seems interesting that they seemed to settle for the artificially they claimed to not want Yes, the ending was open-ended. "Seemed to settle" is the key. I guess it's up to the reader if Rick or Iran did or didn't settle. I feel like Rick would have eventuallu started craving a live animal again and got back into bounty hunting. (But I am cynical about him, I guess.) I have Philip Dick's "Four Novels of the 1960s" compilation. Have either of you read "Ubik" or "The Man in the High Castle"? Trying to pick which one to start next. |
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